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Post by finfever21 on Feb 24, 2021 10:06:14 GMT -5
Guys, looking for some incite on repowering our boat. Last summer we joined the sailfish family and bought a super clean low hour 04 218 cc and fell in love with it immediately. I've taken this boat all over the bay and 50 miles offshore out of Virginia Beach NC frequently.
Its getting to the point where I fish more offshore then inshore and I want to step up to a 2660 however, my wife wants to keep our boat for a few more years so thats why I bring up the repower question. Currently have a 200 yamaha sw series 2 with around 600 hours.
The motor is religiously maintained and runs perfect but we would like the fuel mileage to improve. Currently at cruise we see about 2.4 @ 32 mph and around 1.8 to 2.0 pushing around 40 ish. It's not horrible but I know with a 4 stroke it would significantly improve and be quieter with no oil mixing.I'm looking at a 200 yamaha and a 200 suzuki, from the research I've done these motors seems to be a good balance for this hull. Can anyone recommend one over the other and if so what controls would you recommend? I've only used mechanical before so new to digital and fly by wire. Thanks Brandon
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Post by lainiej on Feb 24, 2021 10:17:39 GMT -5
That's a great low hour motor you have. If you plan on moving up in couple years just keep running it. You will spend allot of money on a repower and will not recoup much when you sell, the boat is already 17 years old. I have twin F115's on my 2360 and get around what you do in fuel consumption. You will not get much better with a 200 hp four stroke, my guess is maybe 3 at cruise. Check the Sailfish site you will probably find the numbers you are looking for, same hull still being made I believe and it's the 220?
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Post by fishnfool on Feb 24, 2021 10:58:33 GMT -5
Thats pretty good mpgs. Not sure how much you are going to improve upon that. You might want to check the Yamaha test bulletins which I think are also contained on the SF Boats site under each model.
The Yamaha F150 is crazy efficient, I had this power on my last 218.
Otherwise...
Zuke DF175 is great motor and super torquey.
I believe there is a new member here that has a Yamaha VMax SHO 200 on his 220cc, came factory rigged with that motor. That seems like it would be a nice option.
Yamaha F175 ot F200
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Post by outtadblue on Feb 24, 2021 13:43:03 GMT -5
That 2 stroke 200 is a great motor. I ran one for years. Those are good fuel burn numbers. You will not get much better than that with the 4 stroke. Personal experience the Suzuki motors are not as reliable as the Yamaha as far as electrical. I know 3 guys at our marina who have had a lot of electrical problems with theirs the last couple of years.
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Post by fishnfool on Feb 24, 2021 14:57:55 GMT -5
That 2 stroke 200 is a great motor. I ran one for years. Those are good fuel burn numbers. You will not get much better than that with the 4 stroke. Personal experience the Suzuki motors are not as reliable as the Yamaha as far as electrical. I know 3 guys at our marina who have had a lot of electrical problems with theirs the last couple of years. And then there is this issue of drive shafts that seem to sieze to the gear case in the block and owners not being able to get their lowers off for water pump/impeller changes. In response, Zuke is now recommending a service interval of dropping the lower every 100 hrs to try and mitigate this issue. No thanks!
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Post by finfever21 on Feb 24, 2021 16:31:09 GMT -5
I appreciate the feedback everyone, I didn't take into consideration the ROI later down the road with the new motor. Think im going to just stick with what we've been doing and maintain her and upgrade her in a year or 2. We really love the boat and I've never felt uncomfortable offshore in her, ofcourse we have all our safety gear and always buddy boat, but even then this hull rides like no other of this size. Appreciate the help.
Brandon
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Post by Twisted on Feb 25, 2021 9:43:08 GMT -5
I totally agree, a repower is not worth it if you are looking to move up in size in a couple of seasons. That engine has seriously low hours on it. I would keep running it for a couple of more years and then upgrade for a bigger rig.
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Post by mack on Feb 25, 2021 9:49:32 GMT -5
Agree with the feedback from the other members. Sticking with a good-running and well-maintained 200 2-cycle until the time comes to move up to a larger boat makes a lot of sense.
What size prop are you running? Slightly increasing the prop pitch may gain you an increase in fuel mileage. I changed from the factory-equipped 17-inch prop to a 19-inch Solas Lexor prop on my '07 218 with 200 HPDI, and had very good results in both speed and fuel mileage improvements. Note I usually only have one or two fishing buddies along and maybe ~3/4 tank of fuel when heading offshore so am not that heavily loaded, but typically get over 3.0 mpg at ~33 mph when sea conditions are smooth. If you are heavily loaded I do not suggest going over 19 and 18-inches may be better in order to achieve desired WOT RPM. But the 19 pitch worked out great for my rig.
A different prop cost a lot less than a repower, so it may be worth considering.
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Post by 4alphacharlie on Feb 26, 2021 20:19:52 GMT -5
I recently repowered my 2008 2360 with twin Zuke 150s. I can certainly say the performance overall is better than my Yamahas. Time will tell in the long term how they compare. I would consider Zuke if I was you. They were priced ALOT lower than Yamaha. We can say Mercury, Yamaha, Suzuki is better because of this or that, but the reality is that you'll find fans of all of them and people that dislike them. Like anything that is mechanical there is always the possibility of things wearing and breaking down. All three manufacturers have been putting out good products. For me it was Suzuki at their price point that made me go with them. I couldn't see spending thousands more for Yamahas. Just food for thought.
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Post by finfever21 on Feb 27, 2021 17:32:47 GMT -5
Agree with the feedback from the other members. Sticking with a good-running and well-maintained 200 2-cycle until the time comes to move up to a larger boat makes a lot of sense. What size prop are you running? Slightly increasing the prop pitch may gain you an increase in fuel mileage. I changed from the factory-equipped 17-inch prop to a 19-inch Solas Lexor prop on my '07 218 with 200 HPDI, and had very good results in both speed and fuel mileage improvements. Note I usually only have one or two fishing buddies along and maybe ~3/4 tank of fuel when heading offshore so am not that heavily loaded, but typically get over 3.0 mpg at ~33 mph when sea conditions are smooth. If you are heavily loaded I do not suggest going over 19 and 18-inches may be better in order to achieve desired WOT RPM. But the 19 pitch worked out great for my rig. A different prop cost a lot less than a repower, so it may be worth considering. I'm currently running a solas 19 pitch stainless 3 blade. We do run heavy offshore so I'll prob stick with this prop, it seems to balance this boat well rpm wise.
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Post by finfever21 on Feb 27, 2021 17:34:18 GMT -5
I recently repowered my 2008 2360 with twin Zuke 150s. I can certainly say the performance overall is better than my Yamahas. Time will tell in the long term how they compare. I would consider Zuke if I was you. They were priced ALOT lower than Yamaha. We can say Mercury, Yamaha, Suzuki is better because of this or that, but the reality is that you'll find fans of all of them and people that dislike them. Like anything that is mechanical there is always the possibility of things wearing and breaking down. All three manufacturers have been putting out good products. For me it was Suzuki at their price point that made me go with them. I couldn't see spending thousands more for Yamahas. Just food for thought. I spoke with a suzuki dealer yesterday and they are significantly lower price wise than yamaha and that was with mechanical controls.
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Post by finfever21 on Feb 27, 2021 17:37:10 GMT -5
I appreciate everyone's thoughts, I decided to run this motor til it's time to upgrade boats. I really love this motor and it's simplicity to work on and parts are reasonable. Thanks again guys.
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