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Post by ag on Apr 16, 2021 13:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by Maysport on Apr 16, 2021 19:21:44 GMT -5
Here's my $0.02:
1) Loadrite - been around awhile so should have factory backing - good! 2) steel frame - not sure how much salt water use you'll see, but personally I would only have an aluminum frame for corrosion resistance. 3) torsion axle - good,the better way to go to avoid springs, etc. 4) says 'greasable hubs', but I'm not sure what that means. Best would be a Super Lube, Sure Lube or similar system where the hub is sealed, and old grease can be purged out the front of the hub when new grease is pumped in at the same location. 5) I'd recommend getting stainless steel (i.e. Kodiak) brakes on at least one axle. 6) Tire size is fine. You may want to go to radials if you trailer much. 7) Not sure about the 32 roller support design. Again, the rollers on galvanized supports that will rust over time. Compared to a carpeted bunk design with rollers along the keel only, there is warning from someboat manufacturers that the rollers can provide point loading on the hull and stress the fiberglass. I'm not sure if Sailfish has recommendations this way or not, but I feel bunks provide a more even support along the hull. There is a lot of weight in the stern of the boat plus the motor, and there are only a couple of rollers in the back for all that weight.
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Post by cmw225 on Apr 16, 2021 20:20:46 GMT -5
4700 capacity in not enough in my opinion. I haven’t weighed my 220 but sailfish says the wet weight is 4450. Add fuel and gear your easily over 5,000. You would probably be ok if you only trailer short distances but I would still suggest going a size up if you can. I would also recommend aluminum frame with stainless hardware if you’re planning on dunking it in salt water.
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Post by fishnfool on Apr 16, 2021 20:41:14 GMT -5
NOT enough!
Get a 6k+ lb capacity trailer
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Post by Maysport on Apr 16, 2021 21:04:02 GMT -5
NOT enough! Get a 6k+ lb capacity trailer Agreed. My trailer is rated for 6000 lbs for my 218.
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Post by ag on Apr 21, 2021 6:57:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. I'm solely in fresh water, so galvanized works for me. And I'd opted to go with bunk for ease of maintenance and since tides aren't and issue. I'm a bit uncertain on the boat weight. The materials I have for my 2013 list the wet weight at 4,450, which is the same as the trailer weight listed on the tag on the boat. So I'm looking at the bunk with 5200 capacity. Another 800 pounds of capacity seems like more than I need. And its two feet more of trailer to haul and store. I imagine the boat weight question has lots of opinions, but has anyone ever had their 218/220 weighed?
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Post by fishnfool on Apr 21, 2021 8:30:37 GMT -5
Understand these stated weights are "approx" You also dont know what went into that calculation. Add fuel, electronics and gear to that. 5200lb capacity is better than option A but bare minimum IMO and if all your doing is short distance between your driveway and ramp it'll probably be fine. Here is Boat Tests tested weight guesstimate which I am pegging as a more accurate representation. But hey dont take it from us, it's not like we didnt own/trailer the same boat. Attachments:
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Post by ag on Apr 21, 2021 8:40:57 GMT -5
Understand these stated weights are "approx" You also dont know what went into that calculation. Add fuel, electronics and gear to that. 5200lb capacity is better than option A but bare minimum IMO and if all your doing is short distance between your driveway and ramp it'll probably be fine. Here is Boat Tests tested weight guesstimate which I am pegging as a more accurate representation. But hey dont take it from us, it's not like we didnt own/trailer the same boat. I've seen that Boat Tests data. One of the issues there is that they list the dry weight as 4450, which is contrary to Sailfish's materials which lists the wet weight as 4450. If the dry weight was 4450, the boat would be over 6000 once motor, fuel, water, gear, etc. was factored in. I've been talking to a guy about a trailer whose exclusive business is as a trailer dealer. He said that he relies on the manufacturer's published wet weight when finding the right trailer to fit a boat. I assume he would be out of business if he was relying on the wrong data point. It seems like a lot of guess or approximating. That's why I asked if anyone weighed their 218/220. I'm also not questioning those that have owned and trailered the same boat. I have no doubt a 6000 trailer fits the bill, but I don't want all the extra trailer if its not necessary.
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Post by fishnfool on Apr 21, 2021 8:57:10 GMT -5
Understand these stated weights are "approx" You also dont know what went into that calculation. Add fuel, electronics and gear to that. 5200lb capacity is better than option A but bare minimum IMO and if all your doing is short distance between your driveway and ramp it'll probably be fine. Here is Boat Tests tested weight guesstimate which I am pegging as a more accurate representation. But hey dont take it from us, it's not like we didnt own/trailer the same boat. I've seen that Boat Tests data. One of the issues there is that they list the dry weight as 4450, which is contrary to Sailfish's materials which lists the wet weight as 4450. If the dry weight was 4450, the boat would be over 6000 once motor, fuel, water, gear, etc. was factored in. I've been talking to a guy about a trailer whose exclusive business is as a trailer dealer. He said that he relies on the manufacturer's published wet weight when finding the right trailer to fit a boat. I assume he would be out of business if he was relying on the wrong data point. It seems like a lot of guess or approximating. That's why I asked if anyone weighed their 218/220. I'm also not questioning those that have owned and trailered the same boat. I have no doubt a 6000 trailer fits the bill, but I don't want all the extra trailer if its not necessary. The thing w/dry weights, wet weights etc they are calculated differently between manufacturers. Eg some include ttops, some do not, some are purely guesstimats. There is no harden fast standard used. Manufacturers are incented to state lightest weights possible which is why each will take certain liberties when arriving at said number. Their stated "rigged weight" is likely a bare bones boat, no batteries, no fuel, no options, maybe even no ttop (yes that's an option). The reality is I think you'll find the 220cc is closer to 5k lbs or over, leaving the factory fitted/optioned out. Add fuel, gear, batteries electronics and up goes the weight. Again not saying you can't tow it with a 5200lb trailer but it is bare minimum IMO and wont be as enjoyable of a towing experience. It will wear more on the trailer too. She's a load when fitted out w/fuel and personally I wouldnt want to tow my 218 any distance with less than a 6klb trailer, maybe even 5700lbs. Good luck
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Post by ag on Apr 21, 2021 9:17:11 GMT -5
The thing w/dry weights, wet weights etc they are calculated differently between manufacturers. Eg some include ttops, some do not, some are purely guesstimats. There is no harden fast standard used. Manufacturers are incented to state lightest weights possible which is why each will take certain liberties when arriving at said number. Their stated "rigged weight" is likely a bare bones boat, no batteries, no fuel, no options, maybe even no ttop (yes that's an option). The reality is I think you'll find the 220cc is closer to 5k lbs or over, leaving the factory fitted/optioned out. Add fuel, gear, electronics and up goes the weight. Again not saying you can't tow it with a 5200lb trailer but it is bare minimum IMO and wont be as enjoyable of a towing experience. It will wear more on the trailer too. She's a load when fitted out w/fuel and personally I wouldnt want to tow my 218 any distance with less than a 6klb trailer, maybe even 5700lbs. Good luck Thanks for the input. I'll hope to hear from someone that has weighed their 218/220 since that would be the best data point to have.
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Post by fishnfool on Apr 21, 2021 9:31:28 GMT -5
I dont recall anyone pulling their 218 over a scale on the old forum but maybe someone has done it recently. I remember a few a have put their 2360s and 2660s on the scale and they were a lot heavier rigged/fitted out than the manufacturers guesstimate. Interestingly here's a similar conversation re 218cc and one owner did some rough weight estimates. He's probably a little high with some but as you can see it doesnt take much to add up to 5k lbs even with a much lower "dry" starting weight. www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/77368-towing-sailfish-218cc-long-distances-5-6hr-drives-2.html
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Post by ag on Apr 21, 2021 10:07:13 GMT -5
I dont recall anyone pulling their 218 over a scale on the old forum but maybe someone has done it recently. I remember a few a have put their 2360s and 2660s on the scale and they were a lot heavier rigged/fitted out than the manufacturers guesstimate. Interestingly here's a similar conversation re 218cc and one owner did some rough weight estimates. He's probably a little high with some but as you can see it doesnt take much to add up to 5k lbs even with a much lower "dry" starting weight. www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/77368-towing-sailfish-218cc-long-distances-5-6hr-drives-2.htmlInteresting thread. One of the members said he weighed his 2360 with trailer and a half tank of gas, and it was 6300 lbs. I think minus the trailer, that put his boat weight around 5000 lbs. For the heck of it, I called Sailfish to see if they would say what they factor into wet weight. They said wet weight includes motor, fuel, water, t-top, and the standard equipment, for whatever that's worth. If figure electronics, lines, fenders, anchor, and whatever else I put in my boat would be the weight above the wet weight -- though I'm not saying the published wet weight is entirely accurate.
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Post by cmw225 on Apr 21, 2021 20:02:04 GMT -5
I wouldn’t think the wet weight would include fuel and water but from what you say sailfish said I may be wrong. That’s almost 600 pounds of fuel and 60 pounds of water. I still think 5,000 capacity is still the bare minimum and if it were my boat sitting on the trailer with my Kids riding in the tow vehicle I would want more than just getting by. I wouldn’t trust the dealer 100% either. Looking at the trailer in the link it looks like he is trying to hit a certain price point for you. You have a nice boat and are looking to buy a new trailer go ahead and spend the little extra money and buy a nice trailer enough reserve capacity. If your worried about size of the trailer you can order shorter trailer with more capacity. Also an aluminum frame will weight a lot less than galvanized steel frame giving a trailer the same size with the same springs and axles more capacity. My wife’s Honda Pilot has a tow rating of 5,000 but I wouldn’t tow my boat to the keys with it either.
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Post by ag on Apr 22, 2021 11:01:42 GMT -5
I wouldn’t think the wet weight would include fuel and water but from what you say sailfish said I may be wrong. That’s almost 600 pounds of fuel and 60 pounds of water. I still think 5,000 capacity is still the bare minimum and if it were my boat sitting on the trailer with my Kids riding in the tow vehicle I would want more than just getting by. I wouldn’t trust the dealer 100% either. Looking at the trailer in the link it looks like he is trying to hit a certain price point for you. You have a nice boat and are looking to buy a new trailer go ahead and spend the little extra money and buy a nice trailer enough reserve capacity. If your worried about size of the trailer you can order shorter trailer with more capacity. Also an aluminum frame will weight a lot less than galvanized steel frame giving a trailer the same size with the same springs and axles more capacity. My wife’s Honda Pilot has a tow rating of 5,000 but I wouldn’t tow my boat to the keys with it either. Everything I have seen on wet weight is that it includes fuel and water. I'm looking at a aluminum bunk trailer instead with 5200 capacity. The problem with the 6000 capacity trailer is that the minimum length of bow eye to transom is longer than the 220CC. I'll only be towing twice a year, so towing with little fuel and no water is doable, which will make a big difference in weight.
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