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Post by ragtop409 on Sept 10, 2018 20:17:21 GMT -5
I wish you guys would learn how to answer a post with a quote on it. Especially someone who's a MOD. Ummm, errrr, Glen.... Why do you keep posting in the same balloon as the original? Go down! I mean, go down a line and start your own response. Its done one like this!! Rag’s
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Post by kbh on Sept 10, 2018 20:32:56 GMT -5
Please,,,, spare me the lesson on the do's and don't of posting. To be truthful it has no meaning to me MOD or not. I've never been one to be proper. Sorry Pal. Jeez Glen. Don't take it personal. It just makes it much harder to follow the conversation. Don't get your panties in a wad over it. No big deal. I'll try not to be so helpful next time.
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Post by tiger on Sept 15, 2018 20:14:04 GMT -5
OK I have a list of gripes I'm just starting since I just took delivery of my brand new 2017 270CC.
Why does the wash sink drain into the bilge?
Lots of moldy or mildewy caulk. VERY hard to clean. Much of it needs to be replaced IMO.
I have several areas, for example on the console where someone with sealant or caulk (very hard stuff) drug a finger over or brushed against a fiberglass surface that should have stayed bare fiberglass. I'm not even sure how to get this stuff off and these hands were dirty. The console window isn't stuck to the console. Caulk stuck to the window but not the console.
The CTO leaks lots of water. One corner is pulled away quite a bit when it's closed and the gasket doesn't make contact.
Screw out of CTO hinge. Screw out of swim platform hinge.
One of the forward cup holders isn't seated, the ridge or lip if you will is 1/8-1/4 raised up on one side.
The fresh water fill vent could be HIGHER than the fill so the tank would fill up rather than continue to dump into the bilge. Need to monitor while filling to make sure not to over fill.
NONE of this information is in the sailfish owners manual. I got a bag full of what look like plugs. I have no idea where the go.
I'm glad to have them but would be nice to know what each one is with a label.
I only have 1 key to open the pump out and fresh water fill. I assume with 2 caps there would be at least a key for each. Not something I'm likely to find locally if ever lost. I like to keep a complete set of spares.
I found the wire lugs on the electrical switches all VERY tarnished. Took them off one at a time and wire brushed them.
The main ground at the back of the boat in the bilge was loose. All 3 wires moved freely. Had a no start on one of the engines several times. It's now 3 hours behind the other.
The netting on the backs of our seats is trashed. Dealer is supposed to be getting it sent to us. Been a month. If I knew it was never coming, I would take it off, but I don't want to do that work twice.
There is a chip in the rear live well on the inside of the tank. They said this would be repaired by the dealer under warranty but it's 250 miles each way to their shop and I bet I would have to leave it there. I would be satisfied with a tiny bit of touch up. It's apparently gell coat so just need to mix a tiny bit and hit it with a tooth pick or something. It's only about 1/8th" but I don't want it to rust when the salt water hits it the first time.
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Post by fishnfool on Sept 15, 2018 20:44:23 GMT -5
First boat?
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Post by ragtop409 on Sept 15, 2018 21:34:00 GMT -5
Yikes!!! Sorry to hear these things. Rag’s
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Post by hookedup on Sept 16, 2018 7:04:42 GMT -5
I know we're all used to water in the bilge. My Robalo had the same issues and I had to de-mold it about twice a year. More often if I didn't put down mold preventer. My Sailfish hasn't developed mold yet, but I suspect it will based on standing water in the center storage (it's a 245DC), and bilge. You are right about having too many things empty into the bilge, but that seems to be one way boat builders cut costs today.
I was spoiled with my 28' Albemarle. Only time water was in the bilge was when I washed it. Even the shower in the bathroom had a pump to drain it overboard. And I guess that's the issue in a lot of today's boats - you have to have a pump for every drain below water level and plumbing for it.
Net of my comment - you can have a dry boat, but not if you're looking for a price competitive boat.
Sorry about the caulking. I have already found one major caulk issues on my boat. I'm not sure why that's such an issue on today's boats other than lack of quality control and not having employees that believe in doing a job to be proud of instead of just putting in their 8 hours.
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Post by fishnfool on Sept 16, 2018 7:47:47 GMT -5
The fact that a small amount of grey water is designed to drain to the bilge in dual consoles/center consoles is not just synonyms of price competative boats. Has anyone priced a Boston Whaler 320 Outrage? Guess where the grey water drains? Yep, the bilge. Point being, it's not quite fair to try and correlate a very common plumbing design found in center consoles that allows for a small amount of grey water to drain to the bilge with being a negative build characteristic specific to Sailfish. Honestly I dont see the issue? If one wants a boat where grey water is to be pumped overboard or into a holding tank look to buy a walk around or Express that has a more purpose built head and shower system with a much larger fresh water capacity. Or go much higher end where it can be customized to your liking. Alternatively doing due diligence on a boat pre purchase , so that one understands the design aspects to ensure the boat meets their expectations and physically inspecting the boat before putting down a deposit goes a long way in mitigating disappointment post close. Tiger sorry to hear your so disappointed with your boat, but most of what I read above doesn't seem to have much to do with Sailfish in particular not withstanding wiring and caulking, it's just part of owning a boat. Perhaps there Is another brand that will better meet your expectations. As to your freshwater problem, try inserting the hose further down the fill tube to bypass the tube vent or use lower pressure. The holding tank is connected to a fill tube so I suspect your filling the tank to its capacity but the vent is preventing the water from filling the fill tube and overfilling.
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Post by kbh on Sept 16, 2018 13:07:48 GMT -5
When I bought my Sailfish I noticed the same thing when filling my water tank. I spent about 10 seconds contemplating it and decided that it must have an overflow on the tank and that was probably the last time I gave it any thought. I can tell you though that it overflows into the bilge because I see the water running out the drain plug after the tank overflows. That might be a problem if you're filling it at the dock and decide to leave the hose on until you see water coming out the top.
My engine was put on at the dealer, but I don't know if that's normal or not.
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Post by hookedup on Sept 16, 2018 18:56:53 GMT -5
Glad to know about the fresh water vent. Hadn't tried to fully fill it as we don't use the fresh water much and I know it's a good idea to cycle through it fairly often.
And, fishnfool I'm really surprised that such a large Whaler would intentionally design water to go into the bilge. For the price I'm surprised they don't have water treatment on board and add it to the fresh water supply.
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Post by sadira on Sept 17, 2018 13:05:12 GMT -5
BTW Looked at my flaking paint on my forward floor storage compartment lid yesterday. High moisture due to the rubber gasket of the lid sealing is BS. The paint is flaking just under the lip of the lid outside of where the gasket material seals.
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Post by sadira on Sept 17, 2018 13:08:04 GMT -5
A design improvement I noticed is to move the shore power connection. When shore power is connected the refrigerator door is partially blocked by the plug.
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Post by tiger on Sept 17, 2018 15:13:03 GMT -5
Good information guys! What is this mold preventer? I would like to be in front of these issues!
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Post by hookedup on Sept 18, 2018 6:36:31 GMT -5
I threw away the empty bottle, so I'm not sure what I used before. However, West Marine sells a couple of 'blocks' or preventives: www.westmarine.com/search?Ntt=moldI'll be buying one of them soon. My fault, but I got caught in the rain and put a few damp items in the galley storage a week ago and forgot to hang them up before I put the boat away. I cleaned it up, but I'm sure now that it started, more will come.
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Post by hookedup on Sept 23, 2018 6:52:33 GMT -5
tiger, I pulled the tackle boxes out of the center storage when fishing yesterday and found the beginnings of mold and lots of water. Realized I hadn't checked for caulking on the screws and latch. I removed the latch and sure enough - no caulk. That allows a lot of water in due the the deck no-slip design. Caulked it back into place using a clear marine caulk. I'll need someone to help with the screws on hinges as my arms aren't contorted enough to hold the nuts and turn the screws at the same time, but they are now on my list and I know that will help reduce the water into the center storage.
My Robalo and Albemarle also had screws lacking caulk. Guess it's a common problem across most boat manufacturers. When I replaced one of the transom rod holders (needed one 0 degree holder) it was caulked, so they cover some items, just not all.
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