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Post by stubby on May 24, 2019 8:44:13 GMT -5
Good morning all. I am a new member to the forum who purchased a 2005 Sailfish 2660cc about two months ago. At the time I elected not to have a full survey done on the hull and only had the engines inspected by a Yamaha certified mechanic. I have started to regret that decision after both my bilge pump‘s failed. Whoever installed these bilge pump‘s should have all their tools confiscated. It’s the worst wiring I have ever seen and I’ve seen a lot. Both pumps had multiple short pieces of wire connected with orange wire nuts and no electrical tape. Absolutely horrible work. I believe one pump failed and the other one was higher but it’s wires wound up in the water which caused it to short resulting in both pumps needing replacement. I also think one of the batteries is now dead because of the shorts. I will be investigating all of that shortly. And rest assured any wire connections I make will have proper wire size and properly sealed water tight connections.
My question to the group is this: which pump should be activated first? One pump is 2000 gph drawing 8.4 amps. And the second pump is 1100 gpg drawing 3.2 amps. I am inclined to have the smaller pump that uses less watch as the first want to come on with the larger pump coming on only if the water level continues rising. I think this will provide better battery life. I also intend to put two solar powered battery chargers on the boat which is kept in the water 24/7. Each motor has two batteries so I have a total of four on board.
Thank you in advance for any help and direction.
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Post by footy3 on May 24, 2019 9:22:16 GMT -5
Welcome aboard and good luck with the new boat. While it's aggravating to find that mess, be thankful you found it now, not after the pumps failed and the boat went down. I think you're on the right track to mount the pumps so the smaller one comes on first, and the second, bigger pump is your OH $HIT pump. You'll find lot's of guys with tons of great advice on the board. I'm sure you'll get some great advice on how to set them up and how to wire them, boat int he water full time needs to be done right.
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Post by kbh on May 24, 2019 10:18:23 GMT -5
Although Sailfish isn't known for it's yacht quality wiring by any means, I own the same year Sailfish and I can almost assure you that what you have didn't come out of the factory wired like that. The previous owner of your boat is probably a hack or too cheap to hire a professional when the last pumps were installed. Anyhow, glad you got it figured out and hopefully the problem is solved.
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Post by popeye on May 24, 2019 10:38:17 GMT -5
Welcome to the board!
Right with you on the electrical work and I think I was also a victim of the less-than-stellar factory work, and later once of the previous owners. I think I was burned a bit like you, where a lot of my gremlins were not discovered in the initial survey... One by one, all of the systems seemed to work, but I experienced large voltage drops when I tried running multiple systems at the same time.
I am just about finished up on an entire re-wire---http://sailfishownersforum.proboards.com/thread/450/2003-266-rewire
I hope yours was not bad. Mine started with a wash-down pump and a VHF radio that give me a "low voltage" warning whenever I keyed. Once I started digging into it, it was like pulling a string on a sweater and it all unraveled from there.
Best of luck, and hope you get it all sorted.
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Post by reelkul on May 24, 2019 12:17:12 GMT -5
Welcome aboard. I have a 2006 2660CC. Two pumps in the bilge was an option back then. The standard was a 2000gph Rule pump and the optional was a 1500gph. There are dedicated pads in the bilge for each pump. The 2000gph goes on the keel pad and the 1500gph goes to the higher pad. So, the 2000 is the primary and the 1500 is a back-up.
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Post by fishnfool on May 24, 2019 16:55:10 GMT -5
Although Sailfish isn't known for it's yacht quality wiring by any means, I own the same year Sailfish and I can almost assure you that what you have didn't come out of the factory wired like that. The previous owner of your boat is probably a hack or too cheap to hire a professional when the last pumps were installed. Anyhow, glad you got it figured out and hopefully the problem is solved. This Buying an older used boat can often translate into seeing someone else's Frankenstein work. Take the money you saved by not paying a surveyor and hire an ABYC electrician to come in and inspect your wiring and make any necessary fixes.
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Post by finatic on May 24, 2019 17:39:23 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, I would take the boat home go through as much as you can. If you found the pumps like that unfortunately there's probably other issues that you will find. Open up everything and investigate, through hull fittings, hose clamps, hanging wires,ect. You have a great boat give her some T.L.C. then enjoy the new ride.
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Post by ragtop409 on May 24, 2019 21:39:06 GMT -5
Welcome abound. Sounds like it was really hacked up!! It never the less easy fixes. Let’s see some pictures of her! Rag’s
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Post by kbh on May 25, 2019 6:13:25 GMT -5
As far as which pump comes on first, my thinking is it's not going to make much difference battery power wise. The smaller pump is just going to run a lot longer to pump out the same amount of water.
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Post by stubby on May 28, 2019 21:43:48 GMT -5
Thanks to all for the comments and help. I continue having wiring issues so I’ve thrown in the towel and called a Marine electrician. I will post pictures when this nightmare ends.
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Post by finatic on May 29, 2019 5:57:14 GMT -5
Money well spent nothing worse than intermittent electrical problems
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Post by Twisted on May 29, 2019 13:34:37 GMT -5
Money well spent nothing worse than intermittent electrical problems x2. I have a 2012 and I think Sailfish has greatly improved the wiring. Mine is very clean and makes sense. Congrats on the new sled!
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Post by stubby on Aug 4, 2019 7:21:40 GMT -5
Quick follow up on my nightmare. The wiring and repairing the cluster **** of a hack job has turned out to be the lesser of two evils. After filling the fuel tank the first time my crew and I smelled gas fumes. We thought it was likely a small leak in a hose so we took her 35 miles offshore to fish some wrecks and had an epic day boating over 150 Black Sea Bass with over 20 keepers. Back at the dock I refueled and the smell of fumes was worse then ever so I decided it has to be corrected ASAP. Inspecting all hoses showed no obvious leak or cracks. So I by-passed the hoses with a short piece of hose connected to both fuel outlets from the tank. We sopped up everything in the bilge but the next morning, more fuel in the bilge. So I purchased a fuel pump with hose and offloaded all the fuel into a friend's boat. Next morning, no more fuel. Clearly a fuel tank issue. Bottom line the boat has been on the hard for almost two months now. The old tank is out with the leak found and documented with a new tank on the way. Of course the work to remove the tank includes cutting out most of the deck. Estimated cost for all the work expected at close to $17,000. I will find out this week if the insurance company will cover it completely, partially or not at all. Either way I'm convinced the previous owner was well aware of the leak because he kept the fuel tank deliberately below the leak for the initial walk around and sea trial. I've hired a lawyer in NC to begin a civil suit against the previous owner. I'm convinced emails, text messages, and/or invoices from prior work on the boat will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he sold me a ticking time bomb. If that proves to be the case I will pursue him to hell and back, including providing all proof to the local authorities for possible criminal charges.
Hopefully I'll have the boat back before August 24th. I help run a non-profit organization that takes active duty troops out for a day of fishing while we entertain their families with rides, games, free ice cream trucks and hot dogs. Then when all boats arrive back we have a huge dinner and prizes to give away. All costs are funded by sponsors so there is zero cost to the troops. I've got 4 troops assigned to me and I hope to not disappoint them by canceling if the boat isn't finished. Suffice it to say his has been a challenging summer.
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Post by abouttime2fish on Aug 4, 2019 10:18:32 GMT -5
That a MAD event?
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Post by ragtop409 on Aug 5, 2019 21:02:33 GMT -5
Wow that real sucks. Hope things turn around for you and are able to help the troops. Rag’s
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