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Post by finatic on Sept 2, 2019 18:24:43 GMT -5
I've got two rod holders where the pins on the bottom broke off and fell into the bilge . Are these rod holders through bolted or just lagged down with a bigger wood screw. Anyone else have this happen, what's the best fix. If they come out easily I can mig weld or TIG weld a pin back into them I'm assuming they're all stainless steel.
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Post by outtadblue on Sept 2, 2019 19:01:15 GMT -5
I think I have 1 with a nut on bottom and the rest are screws. These on the gunnels. The ones on my transom are all screws.
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Post by finatic on Sept 2, 2019 19:06:32 GMT -5
The gunnels are the one of concern, there's no access.
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Post by abouttime2fish on Sept 2, 2019 19:10:49 GMT -5
I’ve removed all 6 across the back and they were 2 screws and 1 thru bolt. Have not had to deal with gunnel ones, but the port one I can reach through an access at the fuel fill. I can go feel under there if it will help.
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Post by abouttime2fish on Sept 2, 2019 19:13:01 GMT -5
And I’ve replaced 2 pins. Hammer and punch to remove remnants of old ones, then replaced with stainless steel bolts.
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Post by finatic on Sept 2, 2019 19:28:14 GMT -5
That was my other option to replace with a bolt. The port side is the one I need to fix I forgot about the access hole for the fuel lines that's a huge help.
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Post by abouttime2fish on Sept 2, 2019 19:31:30 GMT -5
One pic showing the bolt. Other pic is the port gunnel rod holder, pointing to the thru bolt. Other 2 are screws.
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Post by finatic on Sept 2, 2019 19:42:20 GMT -5
That through bolt is going to be fun.. Thanks for the heads up on that bolt.
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Post by reelkul on Sept 4, 2019 9:30:50 GMT -5
I have had to replace all the pins in the rod holders over the years. I replaced the pins with 316 Stainless Steel Binding Barrels and Screws that I purchased from McMaster-Carr. Each one of the gunnel rod holders I had to drill out one of the screws as it was through bolted with a lock nut. I made a custom backing plate for the gunnel rod holders where I through bolted all three locations.
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Post by finatic on Sept 4, 2019 14:22:56 GMT -5
I have had to replace all the pins in the rod holders over the years. I replaced the pins with 316 Stainless Steel Binding Barrels and Screws that I purchased from McMaster-Carr. Each one of the gunnel rod holders I had to drill out one of the screws as it was through bolted with a lock nut. I made a custom backing plate for the gunnel rod holders where I through bolted all three locations. Thanks for sharing very nice job if you're going to do it do it right like you did
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Post by Maysport on Sept 4, 2019 15:56:44 GMT -5
I just replaced one on one of the gunnel mount rod holders - the aggravation of a trolling rod not locking in place built up enough to make me overcome the PIA job I knew it would be.
I don't have any pictures, but I took the rubber grommets off the horizontal rod storage holes to give me access to the underside of the rod holder and it's locknut. As mentioned above, 2 of the wood screws come out OK, but the 3rd bolt and nut is the challenge. It helps if you can recruit someone with small wrists to go through the rod holder hole. My wife helped me, but I suspect she never won that Operation! game growing up and it cost me a 10mm socket that is in the bilge somewhere when she couldn't extract the wrench and extension without scraping it against the rod holder hole! I used a combination of universal swivel joint sockets and extension handles to get on the nut from underneath.
Once out, replace the pin with a Type 316 shoulder bolt and locknut. The SS binding barrel that Reelkul used would be a little more flush fit, but I couldn't find them locally and wanted to get the job done the same day. There is enough room on the outside of the rod holder that the width of a SS locknut won't interfere with anything. I worried about the fraction of bolt thread that would be exposed on the inside of the rod holder, but I then realized that almost every rod handle will basically center the handle in the holder, and the butt will not be close enough to the wall of the holder to touch the thread. I'm not sure if there is a 'standard' for the width of the gimble butt groove, but I believe it was a 1/4" bolt that I used and it fit in all the rods I checked.
The trick I used when re-installing was to put the locknut in the socket, then put a piece of painter's tape over the socket to keep it from falling out. Poke a hole in the tape for the bolt to easily penetrate but smaller than the nut diameter. Position the sockets and extensions through the rod holder hole until it aligns with the rod holder hole you want to put the bolt through. Use a flashlight to help get the socket lined up, then gently put in the bolt and rotate until it threads into the nut.
It will require some patience and maybe a beer or two to keep from cussing it out. Good luck!
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Post by bgreene18 on Sept 16, 2019 20:48:49 GMT -5
Replaced one, went fishing and another one broke. Replaced it, went fishing again and damn if another one didn’t break. So I replaced every one of them! It’s a serious PITA, that should only be attempted with alcohol present and time to spare. We used stainless bolts with nyloks, but some of them get tricky and have to be screwed on with the rod holder back in the gunnel. I like the binding barrels and screws much better.
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Post by chrissyt on Sept 17, 2019 6:02:03 GMT -5
Good info. did one several years ago but think more are in the future, thanks Rob
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Post by Ol Mucky on Sept 17, 2019 15:59:37 GMT -5
Good thread for info!
Sorry to hear though they needed replacing
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Post by Eastbound on Apr 5, 2024 17:36:38 GMT -5
I know this is an older forum but it was helpful to me when my midship rod holder pin broke. After trying unsuccessfully for a couple hours to use an extension and ratchet, with the socket taped on so it wouldn’t fall into the bildge, I resorted to drilling out the bolt. I started with a big drill bit to get a wide taper on the head. Once I got to the bottom of the Phillips head well on the bolt head, I switched to a smaller bit to match the thickness of the bolt itself. My daughter fashioned a really great scoop out of cardboard to catch the bolt end when it broke free. If you can help it, you want to retrieve that in case its final resting place in the bildge is next to the fuel tank. No bueno if that happens. With her holding the scoop, inserted through the upper rod holder grommet area, and me on the drill…,we got it! Her scoop caught the bolt end. I will use advice from and earlier part of this thread to get the new bolt in. Thanks to all who contributed.
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