|
Post by hookedup on Jan 7, 2020 13:19:14 GMT -5
I'm considering adding a kicker to my 245DC. Andy at SIMYahama suggested I use a deck mounted bracket for the kicker, but the Panther model he suggested only allows for tilting the motor and I'm concerned the boatel may not accept that. I was hoping to have a Garelick 71091 so I can clear the hull with the engine not tilted, but until I go do some more investigation on what I could do to mount it (there really doesn't appear to be much room for one) I'm not sure what my options are.
Anyone mounted a kicker, or investigated mounting one on a 245DC? I was thinking about a 9.9 high thrust Yahama and use it for trolling, but also for safety on my offshore trips. I realize when I'm 100 miles offshore that 9.9 would take forever to get me home, but I'd get home. I had a 150 on my Robalo and it never gave me an issue and it took it 40 miles offshore regularly. However, being 80-100 miles offshore is very different than 40 miles and with a single gasoline engine, I'm considering at least having some backup.
Here's a pic of the 245DC transom. You can see how little room there is for adding the bracket, except on the platform behind the live well.
|
|
gilm
Seaman
Posts: 166
|
Post by gilm on Jan 8, 2020 9:23:27 GMT -5
just FYI - thought the following was interesting easy way to do steering linkage.
|
|
|
Post by hookedup on Jan 8, 2020 16:56:47 GMT -5
After doing a LOT of reading, I'm going with the kicker slightly angled and locked into place and using the main motor (and the autopilot) for steering. I may change this later, but so many people remarked on how good this works that I have to try it. Logically it makes sense and I expect the steering won't be as responsive, but adding another autopilot for the kicker is expensive and reading about the tied together motors makes me veer away from that 'solution'.
I sent an email to my boatel manager and I'm still waiting to hear back on what their 'requirements' are for a kicker.
|
|
gilm
Seaman
Posts: 166
|
Post by gilm on Jan 8, 2020 17:31:43 GMT -5
After doing a LOT of reading, I'm going with the kicker slightly angled and locked into place and using the main motor (and the autopilot) for steering. I may change this later, but so many people remarked on how good this works that I have to try it. Logically it makes sense and I expect the steering won't be as responsive, but adding another autopilot for the kicker is expensive and reading about the tied together motors makes me veer away from that 'solution'. I sent an email to my boatel manager and I'm still waiting to hear back on what their 'requirements' are for a kicker. So if I understand the kicker will be locked in one forward steering position and you will use main motor as a "rudder"? Hmm....... Interesting
|
|
|
Post by dfree998 on Feb 16, 2020 19:58:01 GMT -5
What mount did you finally decide on and where are you installing it? I am doing the same on my 220cc. The sterns look fairly similar in terms of space. Access to the transom behind the livewell seems almost prohibitive. If i remove the built-in tackle box on the other side (port on the 220) I can to the transom quite easily but then I block the swim platform. The swim deck cantilevered mount looks like an easier install than a transom mount and I like the idea of not drilling holes through the transom but I am afraid there isnt enough fiberglass in the swim platform to hold the kicker long term.
I plan on using the main motor as a rudder like you are as well.
|
|
|
Post by hookedup on Feb 17, 2020 9:36:46 GMT -5
I'm still mulling it over. I think I've decided on a Suzuki 9.9 High Thrust since it uses EFI and the Yamaha still uses a carburetor in this day and age. Hard to believe Yamaha hasn't switched yet. The Suzuki can be purchased with the controller cables and controller/ignition switch for about the same price as the Yamaha without them. Reviews say the Suzuki is a little noisier and some have a slight vibration issue compared to Yamaha, but I like the idea of no choke and immediate start up and get going with the EFI. And no carburetor means no regular cleaning the carburetor and/or replacing it. I know they're not hard to work on, I'm just not looking to add more maintenance to the boat.
I am planning on getting 30 inch socket extensions to put the nuts on the transom screws to hold the Garelick 71091 (or 71090, not sure which yet). in place on the port side. I know I can get proper backing on one side but the stringer will limit me to fender washers or a small bar on the other side. As for the drilling through the transom.. I plan to add starboard on the outside of the transom that has 4200 all over it to seal it to the transom. I know the 4200 won't glue it in place, but the bolts will and the 4200 will hopefully add some water proofing. The bolts will have 4200 all over them as will the holes. I'd use 5200, but I know what it's like if you ever have to remove it.
|
|
|
Post by dfree998 on Feb 18, 2020 12:30:14 GMT -5
Well I now have buyer’s remorse. I have a yamaha T9.9 in my garage waiting to be installed as I wanted matching engines. I didnt realize it is carbureted. Thats a bit of a disappointment. In any case, i also have a fixed panther mount I think I will move ahead with installing. I know what you means about the stringer limitations on the transom. One more reason for my nervousness in drilling those holes. The bolt that will go next to the stringer will need to be measured with precision. Please keep me posted. I will do the same.
|
|
|
Post by hookedup on Feb 19, 2020 17:54:29 GMT -5
dfree998 what length shaft did you get? I've been thinking 20" since the the transom is 17" where I would put the kicker, but I don't think 25" would hurt since you're never getting that 9.9 on plane anyway.
|
|
|
Post by dfree998 on Feb 19, 2020 22:28:51 GMT -5
I bought the 20” shaft. I believe that I will be able to position the fixed mount just so that the ventilation plate is even with the keel. I plan on tilting the engine out of the water when not in use, so I wanted the shorter shaft.
|
|
|
Post by dfree998 on Feb 19, 2020 22:34:29 GMT -5
Also keep in mind the yamaha 20” shaft model actually measures 22” from top of the clamp to the ventilation plate. I assume the 25” shaft model has the same offset. I measured my engine myself and found a diagram somewhere online that aligned with the measurements.
|
|
|
Post by hookedup on Feb 20, 2020 8:17:25 GMT -5
Thanks. Not sure how Suzuki's measure and I couldn't find a similar measurement diagram like Yamaha's for the Suzuki. As long as it's near 20 inches it should work. I also looked at the 15 and 25's but they don't offer the same features as the 9.9 HT and the 25 is too heavy for the Garelick.
|
|
|
Post by wkendwarrior on Feb 20, 2020 17:15:08 GMT -5
You should look at the Trollmaster Pro 3plus. trollmasters.com It's a wireless remote for your Suzuki. We Northern boys use this on our Kickers for the Great Lakes. This Pro3 will control your speed and steering, just like a BM trolling motor..Same company that makes your bracket for the motor.
|
|