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Post by schoolsout on Jul 23, 2020 11:58:16 GMT -5
Hey guys/gals...have been contemplating on repowering my 2007 218 from F150 to a Merc 225 (V6). Current motor has about 780 hours or so on it and runs fine, but I need more umph. The boat likes to run about 30mph or so on most days I'm out and that seems to be near 5k rpm for me. Also, when I've got a crew and boat loaded down, I can barely eek out 5300 rpm trimmed out in flat water. Running Power Tech 14" 4 blade with some of the cup taken out. The boat can struggle to get on plane, too. I'm satisfied, so to say, but not really (if that makes sense). I'm, also, contemplating getting something in the 23-25' range with a big single on it (or twins, possibly). I bought this boat for a great price...it's no show queen with some dings here/there and needs a bit of gelcoat work on the forward keel (boat is bottompainted, which I don't like, but not worried about it...basically, only reason I haven't done gelcoat yet) and there is some minor pitting on aluminum top along with grind marks where the old rigger bases were welded on to rail and removed, but it's not all that bad for a mostly bottom fishing boat. Electronics are RM c97 and a77 with the digital 18" radome along with SH 2200 radio (with AIS hooked up to display). Would love to upgrade sounder module/transducer, but that's looking like more than I'd like to spend for now. Wiring in rear of boat near batteries was redone 2 years ago with ACR or whatever it is called being added. Amp and 4 Kicker speakers added too, but one channel seems to be not working (need to check that out). Anyways...I'm thinking I could sell my current motor for about $5k (runs great, just put clean injectors in and has updated balancer) and get the Merc 225 for at/damn near cost (waiting on buddy to get back to me on pricing) and hoping he will install it for free that would put me in this boat for a little over $30k all said and done. Question...what do y'all think of that? I think I could get $25k or maybe a little less for the boat as it is now and put that towards the larger boat. Problem is used boats aren't very "cheap" now and whatever I get, I will probably put another $5k in to update/upgrade. I can see myself using this boat for another 2-3 years then selling with or without a new motor, but I think I'd enjoy it much more with the added hp. This hull is stamped to handle 250hp, but not looking for extra weight. Sorry for the longwinded post...after a few beers, I'm gungho on repowering. When I wake up the next day, I think about it harder...lol
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Post by fishnfool on Jul 26, 2020 8:25:31 GMT -5
My thought,,, if this is not a long term boat, and you plan to sell it in a couple of years, it doesnt make a lot of sense to put that kind of money into a repower. You will also have to fix the boat up for resale, so there is that cost on top of your repower.
The market is HOT, youll get top $, fix the gelcoat issues, get it detailed (you'll recoup a lot of this cost and it will sell quicker) and put it in the market NOW while your motors are under $1k hrs. Put that coin towards a 24/25/26' cc. Yes the rub is you'll also be buying during a hot market but there's some reasonably deals that pop up, but you'll have to be prepared to move quickly.
My $.02
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Post by abouttime2fish on Jul 26, 2020 8:56:27 GMT -5
Sell now, buy next year. The way boats have sold this summer, and all the inexperienced boaters ive seen, I suspect the lightly used market will be flooded next year. Is that spring or fall? Depends on this covid crap. The rub being you go boatless for a while.
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Post by rgl1100 on Jul 28, 2020 15:03:17 GMT -5
Interesting question. Just adding my 2 cents here. I own a 2007 218CC with a 2006 Yamaha 200. The boat came from Florida and is a great little boat. The only problem is I don't actually think the boat was designed to handle anything over the 150. I get it. You want more power to get up on plane and faster getting out to the fish...or wherever. However, I can tell you as soon as you place the larger engine on the boat you'll see that the boat will sit low. The scuppers end up either completely in or halfway underwater. Unless you want to adjust the waterline you're going to get growth on the boat if its in long enough. If you're trailering shouldn't be a problem but I don't actually like the way the boat sits. There's been talk of moving the batteries forward to eliminate some weight aft but that's a bit too much work in my mind. I've had my boat for about 4 years now and I'm really pleased with its performance but I've always thought the engine wasn't quite matched for the boat. I was told (not sure if really true or not) ,in the Florida area, those who owned these boats commonly increased the engine size to get more power and faster boats.
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Post by Maysport on Jul 28, 2020 19:36:24 GMT -5
Interesting question. Just adding my 2 cents here. I own a 2007 218CC with a 2006 Yamaha 200. The boat came from Florida and is a great little boat. The only problem is I don't actually think the boat was designed to handle anything over the 150. I get it. You want more power to get up on plane and faster getting out to the fish...or wherever. However, I can tell you as soon as you place the larger engine on the boat you'll see that the boat will sit low. The scuppers end up either completely in or halfway underwater. Unless you want to adjust the waterline you're going to get growth on the boat if its in long enough. If you're trailering shouldn't be a problem but I don't actually like the way the boat sits. There's been talk of moving the batteries forward to eliminate some weight aft but that's a bit too much work in my mind. I've had my boat for about 4 years now and I'm really pleased with its performance but I've always thought the engine wasn't quite matched for the boat. I was told (not sure if really true or not) ,in the Florida area, those who owned these boats commonly increased the engine size to get more power and faster boats. Without checking exactly, I think the newer Yamaha 200's are lighter than the older ones, so there may not be much net difference in weight.
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Post by footy3 on Jul 29, 2020 7:44:41 GMT -5
Sell now, buy next year. The way boats have sold this summer, and all the inexperienced boaters ive seen, I suspect the lightly used market will be flooded next year. Is that spring or fall? Depends on this covid crap. The rub being you go boatless for a while. x2. It might suck not having a boat for a short time, but the market is desperately hot right now, and if you're thinking of going bigger, that is going to be an itch the faster small boat won't scratch.
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Post by schoolsout on Jul 29, 2020 11:56:58 GMT -5
Interesting question. Just adding my 2 cents here. I own a 2007 218CC with a 2006 Yamaha 200. The boat came from Florida and is a great little boat. The only problem is I don't actually think the boat was designed to handle anything over the 150. I get it. You want more power to get up on plane and faster getting out to the fish...or wherever. However, I can tell you as soon as you place the larger engine on the boat you'll see that the boat will sit low. The scuppers end up either completely in or halfway underwater. Unless you want to adjust the waterline you're going to get growth on the boat if its in long enough. If you're trailering shouldn't be a problem but I don't actually like the way the boat sits. There's been talk of moving the batteries forward to eliminate some weight aft but that's a bit too much work in my mind. I've had my boat for about 4 years now and I'm really pleased with its performance but I've always thought the engine wasn't quite matched for the boat. I was told (not sure if really true or not) ,in the Florida area, those who owned these boats commonly increased the engine size to get more power and faster boats. Without checking exactly, I think the newer Yamaha 200's are lighter than the older ones, so there may not be much net difference in weight. The new V6 merc 225 weights 476lbs in the 20" version. The Yamaha F150 with 20" shaft is 478lbs so they are, essentially, the same weight. I had thoughts of going with the V8 225 Merc, but it is, IIRC, about 50lbs more. I don't think that would make too much of a difference, but the V6 should be more than enough for me. My cost on motor is a hair over $15,000 (buddy was supposed to check on controls...not sure if that price is for mech controls or none at all, but I asked him to price the DTS system, too). He's busy building boats and I'm still wishy washy so I haven't pushed him too hard. In theory, I can sell my current engine for $5k so I'd be in the Sailfish with new motor for $32k or thereabouts. We would mount the engines ourselves assuming other buddy will help. He has experience with the DTS system (4 x 400 Verados on the boat they've already built). Just a matter of talking him into it... Oh, and buddy said he'd show me how to do the gelcoat patchwork, too. This may become a Fall project if I decide to move forward. I'm still kicking around the idea of just selling the 218 and moving up.
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Post by schoolsout on Jul 29, 2020 12:00:01 GMT -5
Without checking exactly, I think the newer Yamaha 200's are lighter than the older ones, so there may not be much net difference in weight. The new V6 merc 225 weights 476lbs in the 20" version. The Yamaha F150 with 20" shaft is 478lbs so they are, essentially, the same weight. I had thoughts of going with the V8 225 Merc, but it is, IIRC, about 50lbs more. I don't think that would make too much of a difference, but the V6 should be more than enough for me. My cost on motor is a hair over $15,000 (buddy was supposed to check on controls...not sure if that price is for mech controls or none at all, but I asked him to price the DTS system, too). He's busy building boats and I'm still wishy washy so I haven't pushed him too hard. In theory, I can sell my current engine for $5k so I'd be in the Sailfish with new motor for $32k or thereabouts. We would mount the engines ourselves assuming other buddy will help. He has experience with the DTS system (4 x 400 Verados on the boat they've already built). Just a matter of talking him into it... Oh, and buddy said he'd show me how to do the gelcoat patchwork, too. This may become a Fall project if I decide to move forward. I'm still kicking around the idea of just selling the 218 and moving up. It wouldn't be so bad without a boat...I barely used it last year, but have made about 5 trips offshore this year. I love the boat...it does what I need it to do, but deep down, I want a little more room/capability. I've got plenty of friends with boats so that isn't an issue. The buddy getting the Merc quote started TAG Boats so I've had the pleasure of fishing the 36' a few times. They haven't been out much, though, with tweaking/building/sea trials. That should change soon.
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