theo
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Post by theo on Jul 5, 2021 13:47:47 GMT -5
Just purchased a used 2360 WAC. Baitwell was filling during the survey but has stopped filling after a 300 hour engine service. I read that the raw water uses the same pump as the baitwell so I hooked up the hose to the raw water and it worked fine. Thus, the pump is not the issue. I noticed a kink in the hose where the hose attaches to the baitwell. I tried straightening but there is no slack. I am contemplating getting solid plastic fittings to remove the kink so the hose has no joint. Has anyone dealt with this?
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Post by fishnfool on Jul 5, 2021 23:06:03 GMT -5
Your post suggests that the kink was put there during the 300 he service? Would seem odd..
Curious does the pick up fill the live well while running?
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theo
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Post by theo on Jul 6, 2021 8:54:33 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that the mechanics may have done something to the hose to interrupt the water fill hose. The baitwell does not fill when running or not. I ran a hose from the raw water wash down to the baitwell the last time I was out as a work around.
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Post by fishnfool on Jul 7, 2021 7:29:28 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that the mechanics may have done something to the hose to interrupt the water fill hose. The baitwell does not fill when running or not. I ran a hose from the raw water wash down to the baitwell the last time I was out as a work around. And the seacock for the pick up is open? Not sure what your mechanics would be doing in the bilge during a 300hr service? Have you stuck your head in the bilge while the livewell pump is running?
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Post by jski59 on Jul 7, 2021 9:16:27 GMT -5
One last easy check would be the actual valve in the bait well...it's usually obvious if they're broken, but you could unscrew it from inside the well to verify the ball isn't stuck.
Also if the hose is kinked at the valve, did the valve get tightened/twisted that caused the kink? Hard to know without a pic...
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theo
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Post by theo on Jul 15, 2021 14:52:30 GMT -5
Hi All,
Thank you for the suggestions. I have tried them all with no success. I think replacing the hose is the final option. I will let everyone know how it goes.
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Post by Maysport on Jul 15, 2021 21:29:04 GMT -5
Are you sure the washdown and livewell pump are the same? On my 218 they are separate pumps.
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Post by Twisted on Jul 19, 2021 9:24:24 GMT -5
So I went out yesterday and was catching bait and low and behold my livewell wasn't working. When I turned it on I could hear and feel the pump working but no water coming through. I checked the seacock valve and it was open. Is it possible the pump is working but the impeller is toast?
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Post by Maysport on Jul 19, 2021 13:38:48 GMT -5
So I went out yesterday and was catching bait and low and behold my livewell wasn't working. When I turned it on I could hear and feel the pump working but no water coming through. I checked the seacock valve and it was open. Is it possible the pump is working but the impeller is toast? Did you first turn it on at idle, so the livewell wasn't full from running? If so, it could be air-locked. Try pouring a bucket of water in first to prime the pump. May have to stop and restart pump a couple of times.
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Post by Twisted on Jul 20, 2021 7:50:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. Do you mean pour a bucket of water into the bilge itself?
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Post by Maysport on Jul 20, 2021 21:26:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. Do you mean pour a bucket of water into the bilge itself? No, pour the water into the baitwell. If there is air trapped in the pump discharge, the goal is to have the weight of the water work down into the pump and force air up and out so the pump impeller is surrounded by water, not air, or if the air was trapped in a bend in the discharge hose it is pushed out by the water. This is if the pump discharge comes into the bottom of the livewell. However, if the pump discharge comes into the top of the livewell, this won't work very well (hard to fill it over the overflow and into the smaller discharge outlet). You said the livewell fills (with all the valves open) when you are underway and on plane. The pickup on the intake should let water be forced into the livewell past the pump and force any air out. Turn your pump on before you come off plane and see if it continues to pump water into the livewell. If this doesn't get the pump working, then you might have something stuck in the discharge hose between the pump and livewell. If the hose is hard to replace, you might try taking the discharge off in the livewell, take the hose off at the pump, and snake back from the livewell to the pump to verify if the hose is clear or push out whatever is stuck in it. I wouldn't think the pump could pass anything large enough to get stuck in the hose, but you never know. Let us know what you find.
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Post by Twisted on Jul 22, 2021 16:06:12 GMT -5
Thanks Maysport. So tried the bucket trick and that did not work unfortunately. I then disconnected the hose from the pump itself and the water drained from the livewell through the hose no issue so it does not appear to be clogged. I then ran the pump and it was pumping water I just wonder if it does not have enough power to pump it to the livewell. The pump is almost 9 years old so it may have run it's lifespan and needs to be replaced.
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Post by Maysport on Jul 22, 2021 16:27:23 GMT -5
Thanks Maysport. So tried the bucket trick and that did not work unfortunately. I then disconnected the hose from the pump itself and the water drained from the livewell through the hose no issue so it does not appear to be clogged. I then ran the pump and it was pumping water I just wonder if it does not have enough power to pump it to the livewell. The pump is almost 9 years old so it may have run it's lifespan and needs to be replaced. This is a really weird issue you are experiencing. With the hose disconnected, can you tell if it seems the pump is putting out decent pressure? I'm not familiar with your setup, but I'm wondering if there is a small piece of something that is in the suction side of the pump that gets sucked up into the impeller and blocks it, but with the hose disconnected the suction is broken and water flowing backwards pushes it out of the way, making you think nothing is blocking it. Is there a screen on the underside to protect large pieces of junk from being pulled into the impeller area? I think my livewell pump is original, about 14 years old now. It is noisy so I can tell when it is running. Two trips ago it would only run intermittently - about 20 seconds when the switch was on, then quit, but run for another 20 seconds if I tried the switch later. However, the latest trip it ran fine the whole time even though it sounds like a coffee grinder at times! The pumps are pretty simple, integrated motor and pump. If the shaft seal fails, then water gets into the motor and it fails. I assume it has a plastic impeller and so can't imagine it being worn down to where it wouldn't pump. For it to be running and not pumping, I can only think of a few causes: 1) Something is blocking the discharge hose 2) pump can't get prime/something is blocking the suction line or impeller intake area 3) pump is air bound.
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Post by Twisted on Jul 23, 2021 8:47:37 GMT -5
I think it is a pressure problem. There is a metal screen on the bottom of the hull that would prevent anything large from getting sucked up into the pump. There have been times when I've been out and the water is dirty with seaweed etc. and it would cause an issue but once I would get underway it would clear itself. I think mine has just met it's life expectancy, it gets a lot of use! Thanks for all of your replies and suggestions!
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Post by fishnfool on Jul 23, 2021 9:55:15 GMT -5
Speaking of screens and might be wrong here, but there might be a filter screen on the input side of the pump. Pull that hose and examine the input side of the pump.
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