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Post by cavalier on May 21, 2023 17:14:14 GMT -5
Hi, i have a 2016 290 CC and have always had problems with the fish boxes filling up with water after a rain. I finally figured out the the rain drains around the top of the box aren't working because they flow into the scuppers which have been always been super slow to drain. Every year I put a plummers snake into it to clean it and force water into the drains from both the scupper end and the flapper end. The flappers are really tight which I am sure is to prevent too much water coming in (flappers are at or below the water line). Upon closer inspection, there is very tight bend in one of the scupper drain pipes which would severely restrict the flow of water out of the boat. I read on another thread that it might be by design to prevent water from backing up into the boat (since the drain holes are often below the water line). Anyone else have this problem? Can a bilge pump be installed inline? Or Is there a way to make these boats drain better? I run through some nasty inlets and am concerned that if I ever get swamped I'm doomed since the boat won't drain. Thanks in advance.
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Post by abouttime2fish on May 21, 2023 22:01:10 GMT -5
Question. Do you keep boat in water, on lift, or on trailer?
Question 2 - do the drains around the fish box lids get clogged?
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Post by cavalier on May 22, 2023 7:10:18 GMT -5
I keep it at a slip during the warm months, covered in winter on blocks. I do believe the drains have gotten clogs. After unclogging those, the scuppers still drain slow.
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Post by fishnfool on May 22, 2023 8:58:58 GMT -5
There are a few 2860/290 owners here, hopefully they will chime in.
The scupper drain flappers are definitely snug but they work well at keeping water from coming back in. The downside is they definitely restrict the flow of water exiting and they easily get clogged with debris (leafs, etc) which requires the flaps to be pulled opened and the scupper cleaned out. I use a picking tool to do this.
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Post by outtadblue on May 22, 2023 9:22:58 GMT -5
Same problem on mine. I haven’t fixed it in the 13 years I’ve owned it. Just a bad design. To be fair though, I see this problem on many boats that don’t have a good gutter system to keep water from going into the boxes.
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Post by fishnfool on May 22, 2023 9:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by abouttime2fish on May 22, 2023 13:24:17 GMT -5
What fishnfool said. I used some foam weatherstripping from Lowe’s. Stuck it to the lids of my fish boxes and in floor box. Much less pretty, but I think it’s been there 10 years now?? Drastically reduces debris from the trees near my driveway from clogging all those drains and getting in the boxes.
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Post by cavalier on May 22, 2023 16:26:18 GMT -5
So I've got the drains to the fish boxes cleared, but I still might need the weather stripping to keep them dry. It isn't a great design.
The scuppers are still a concern though. I re-snaked the scupper drains from the inside and outside and made sure the flaps were clear. Each side can now keep up with the volume of a full-blast garden hose and clear it. The back drains would go much faster if two of the drain pipes (there are two drains and two pipes on each side) did not have such a ridiculous bend in them. The hose is almost folded over and pinched. If pine needles, fish scales or fish guts get in there, you can forget it. You can't even snake through the bend with a wire or plumbers snake. I ran a test and the side without the bend is doing all the draining. The side with the bend isn't draining at all. It blows me away that the boat is shipped like this. I guess I need to find a more pliable hose that will make the sharp turn toward the flaps.
Any ideas? and thanks for all the responses. PS I tried to post a pic but didn't see how do it via the Quick Reply function.
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Post by outtadblue on May 23, 2023 9:30:36 GMT -5
I did and it helps but not a perfect solution.
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Post by abouttime2fish on May 23, 2023 10:38:23 GMT -5
2 ideas. Can you shorten the hose to remove the kink? Option 2, what about something over the outside of it to hold it in a more gentle bend? I’m sure they exist already but not sure what they would be called. But think of a pvc connector, 90 or 45 degree depending on your need. Cut in half lengthwise so you can then take the inside half and place in inner radius of kinked hose. Zip tie, tape, hose clamp in place. Drink beer and congratulate yourself on work well done!
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Post by abouttime2fish on May 23, 2023 11:17:29 GMT -5
something like that but you might need to make your own.
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Post by jerryk on May 23, 2023 11:29:52 GMT -5
I had a complete kink in my galley sink drain and it required adding a few elbows into the drain hose to fix it. Sailfish used automotive heater hose (black rubber hose) for my drains which tends to kink if bent too sharply, and then they routed it with an "S" curve too-tight bend so it eventually kinked up and would not drain aside from a few drops per minute. If your hose is the same material, you have to find a way to unkink it with elbows or something otherwise it will continue to be a problem. That hose doesn't hold up against tight bends and gets soft enough to kink off over time and/or with heat.
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Post by jski59 on May 23, 2023 12:28:53 GMT -5
I've have the same issues on my 2860. Fishbox lids: I covered my lids with sheet neoprene; .not a strip, but the whole inside of the lid. Just spray the lid with contact adhesive and stick it on, mine's been on since 2019. I'm pretty sure this is what Sailfish does on their new boats. It evens helps a bit with ice retention. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BKT33BW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1Fishbox lid drains: My current 2860 drains ok to the scuppers, but I keep a stiff plastic zip tie on board to snake down the drains. I had owned another 2860 (ultimately damaged in a hurricane) where the previous owner had cut additional deck holes/pie plates between the fishboxes and the transom; I'm guessing rhe eplaced/upgraded the hoses coming out of the fishboxes. It drained immediately, but I don't think there's anyway to upgrade those lines without cutting holes like he did. I just live with it on my newer boat. Scupper drain hoses: My current scuppers drain slowly as well, but I did find that the hoses were running downhill from the scupper and then up to the hull drain. I think I zip tied them up somehow and they drain a little quicker. Ultimately my plan is to cut off the existing hoses and find something prebent to the needed angles or maybe find some thick hose and bend it with a heat gun.
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Post by cavalier on May 23, 2023 16:56:45 GMT -5
Interesting that you had to zip tie them up Swabbie. I would have thought pushing them down would be better. I'm not a physics person but it doesn't look there is much room for error. The scupper drains and the flappers are about the same level.
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Post by fishnfool on May 23, 2023 17:52:00 GMT -5
I've have the same issues on my 2860. Fishbox lids: I covered my lids with sheet neoprene; .not a strip, but the whole inside of the lid. Just spray the lid with contact adhesive and stick it on, mine's been on since 2019. I'm pretty sure this is what Sailfish does on their new boats. It evens helps a bit with ice retention. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BKT33BW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1Fishbox lid drains: My current 2860 drains ok to the scuppers, but I keep a stiff plastic zip tie on board to snake down the drains. I had owned another 2860 (ultimately damaged in a hurricane) where the previous owner had cut additional deck holes/pie plates between the fishboxes and the transom; I'm guessing rhe eplaced/upgraded the hoses coming out of the fishboxes. It drained immediately, but I don't think there's anyway to upgrade those lines without cutting holes like he did. I just live with it on my newer boat. Scupper drain hoses: My current scuppers drain slowly as well, but I did find that the hoses were running downhill from the scupper and then up to the hull drain. I think I zip tied them up somehow and they drain a little quicker. Ultimately my plan is to cut off the existing hoses and find something prebent to the needed angles or maybe find some thick hose and bend it with a heat gun. Can we see some pics of the lids w/the neoprene? Did you cut a template using cardboard or something?
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