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Post by hookedup on Sept 14, 2023 11:28:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure how NOAA even determines catch information as I've never been boarded by NOAA or someone representing them in over 60 years of fishing and only once did the state ask about my catch. My son-in-law told me last night he was stopped by the state once to check he that he didn't have any fish out-of-season, but that was all.
Anyway, NOAA has admitted their count is probably high by 30-40%. Not a surprise to me: White Paper
Of course, this could be an effort to fix their counts, or .... an excuse to hire more government workers. Who knows, but it is interesting to know our quota limits are set base on inaccurate data.
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Post by fishnfool on Sept 14, 2023 13:24:13 GMT -5
They rely on anglers to report their catch. I've never once reported my catch. It's highly speculative no doubt and leans in the direction of furthering the agenda of the commercial fishery IMO.
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Post by nickbhw on Sept 15, 2023 7:04:12 GMT -5
In NJ, there is a salt water registry. No license is required, but everyone over 16 has to register.
Once they have the data, it seems like they don't really know what happens with it yet:
Q4: How will National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) develop Marine Recreational Informational Program (MRIP) estimates? A: Our understanding is that NMFS staff are in discussions on methodologies, and we will relay information to the angling public as we learn more.
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Post by hookedup on Sept 15, 2023 9:14:00 GMT -5
Glad to know NJ is doing something. Virginia has done mandatory reporting for specific fish at times (last was Cobia) and requires a 'sub' license to fish for them, but I know the limits and slot sizes are based on best guess in a lot of cases as they don't have any reporting data to look at.
As far as Pelagic fish, VA doesn't collect any data, nor do any federal agencies. Maryland has a mandatory 'tag' program where you have to get a tag for bluefin tuna, billfish, swordfish, or shark before taking it off the vessel.
IMHO until there is some realistic catch and keep data there is no valid data to use in determining the actual impact of recreational fishing on fish stocks. It's about as good as the by-catch data for commercial fishing and we all know how inaccurate that is, especially if you've followed a commercial boat dumping it's by-catch before coming in.
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Post by fishnfool on Sept 15, 2023 9:18:25 GMT -5
There is federal reporting for palegics if you have an HMS permit. And of course you shouldn't be fishing for palegics if you don't have one.
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Post by outtadblue on Sept 15, 2023 12:21:05 GMT -5
NOAA doesn’t know crap. They make up numbers to justify their agenda. Facts
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Post by fishnfool on Sept 15, 2023 17:08:32 GMT -5
Copied a recent post on the matter... www.outdoorlife.com/uploads/...l-w-Review.pdf"Here's the meat of the report buried in pages of BS.Conclusions Results from these studies suggest that the predominant form of measurement error in the FES is telescoping error; respondents were more likely to report trips from outside the intended reference period than omit trips. The current FES questionnaire design includes bounding questions (12-month shore and boat fishing) that are likely to reduce telescoping error in the FES relative to an unbounded design. However, the question sequence may not be optimal in terms of reducing telescoping error - respondents are unlikely to review the entire questionnaire, including the bounding questions, prior to reporting for the desired reference period. Consequently, the current design is likely overestimating fishing effort. A revised design that presents the 12-month fishing questions before the two-month questions would likely further reduce bias resulting from telescoping error. They are saying ITS NOT US ITS THEM. They designed the questionnaires. They administered it. They interrupted the results. They projected catch limits. They refused to listen to ANY debate. The errors go past past malfeasance and dereliction of duty. I'm on record raving about NOAA stealing over 80 metric tons of BFT from recs for over 15 years. They pretended 'It was an error'. Now they admit they are over counting rec catches. SO all you Florida red snapper, grouper, etc fishermen with small bag limits and closed seasons? THEY ARE LYING on purpose. If you read this report cover to cover you'll see how they are trying to hide behind words. It's FRAUD plain and simple."
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Post by abouttime2fish on Sept 16, 2023 8:36:55 GMT -5
NC you will sometimes see them taking surveys at ramp as you pull out. They don’t ask to see fish, just what you were targeting and what you caught. Obviously they don’t get every boat. Or every ramp. Or any boats in marinas, dry stack, personal docks, etc. so how they turn that into any reasonable number I have no idea. And how good/experienced are the fishermen? They just going to public ARs just off the beach that are heavily fished? Fishing in random spots that don’t hills fish (which is how they dropped puts to study Black Sea bass populations about 20 years ago)?
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Post by fishnfool on Sept 16, 2023 9:04:45 GMT -5
I get called by marine fisheries every year to take their palegic catch survey cause I have an HMS permit. They phone bomb me until I answer.
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