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Post by kingpin123 on May 30, 2019 6:53:58 GMT -5
Hi guys
I have the 270cc. I am just trying to find out about the chimes under the boat I think it is called reverse chimes not sure. But why or what is the purpose of having the chimes inwards instead of outwards like nearly all boats I see? I think it is only sailfish boats I see them like that don’t know why sailfish make it like that As I am sure most us know that sailfish boats are very wet boats. Could this be the reason why they are so wet?
Nearly all cc boats I see don’t have the chimes inwards that’s very strange
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Post by kbh on May 30, 2019 7:28:20 GMT -5
First off, it's called a chine, not chime. I believe that most performance boat hulls these days have reverse chines.
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Post by hookedup on May 30, 2019 7:32:23 GMT -5
I agree with finatic. Having had or been on a lot of boats over the years, I'd say the Sailfish (at least my 245DC) is about average for spray. If I get out in 15+ knot winds and 3-4 foot steep seas, the Sailfish isn't much different than the other boats - wet. However, in lesser conditions it stays pretty dry and I have no complaints. In fact I think it handles chop better than my previous boat.
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Post by kingpin123 on May 30, 2019 7:53:17 GMT -5
Sorry about that. Yes u are correct it is chines and chimes. I believe I was saying the wrong name of what I was asking the question on. What I was talking about which I just google is the STRAKES and not chines . Strakes is located under the bow. So the strakes is what looks different on nearly all other boats. They are turn inward instead outward like most boats I see. So that is what I was wondering why sailfish made them like that. I would think if they made them outwards would help knock down the water. But what do I know. Lol
I would post pics but I do not see any option for upload. Do u know where do I find that option to upload?
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Post by abouttime2fish on May 30, 2019 7:58:54 GMT -5
Have to select desktop version to upload pics.
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Post by kingpin123 on May 30, 2019 8:18:14 GMT -5
Ok I choose desktop. But don’t see the upload option button.
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Post by finatic on May 30, 2019 8:24:08 GMT -5
Hit edit then hit add attachments add your photos
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Post by kingpin123 on May 30, 2019 8:47:12 GMT -5
Oh you have to post first and then go back and edit to insert a pic.
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Post by fishnfool on May 30, 2019 9:24:05 GMT -5
You are correct the strakes are not designed to knock down spray on our boats. But i believe the design was to act to help withle lift and speed while providing for as soft a ride as possible. Each strake represents a "step" or different angle of deadrise.
The Sailfish hull is modeled after the Seacraft hull so you will notice striking similarities between older SC hull/strake designs and the Sailfish hull.
I think the logic was such that anything sticking out that comes into contact with the water could negatively impact the ride quality. A lot of boats with similar deadrise and pronounced strakes and large chines dont ride nearly as well.
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Post by kbh on May 30, 2019 9:38:14 GMT -5
I've had a dozen or more boats in the 19 to 25' range and I think the 218 hull is one of the nicest riding in it's class. I have heard from other folks that the 23 is a little wetter. But I heard that from a couple of friend's who also admit to never have ridden in one. So I don't really know if it's true or not.
My good friend and fishing buddy up in Stuart has a 21 BlueWater and it's a really snotty ride compared to my Sailfish. He has a neighbor that had a 236 Sailfish for sale and said he didn't buy it because it was a wet boat. Then admitted he'd never been on one.
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Post by fishnfool on May 30, 2019 9:56:54 GMT -5
Here's some history behind the design of our hulls rooted in Carl Mosely's infamous Moesly 21. BTW, SeaCraft's are not known to be the driest riding hulls either, but are still coveted for their ride esp the classics.
Here's a picture of the stepped hull of the '62 Johnson & Kirby Seacraft race hull. A straight edge can be run from bow to stern along the strake "step".
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Post by fishnfool on May 30, 2019 9:57:53 GMT -5
Response from a seller of a J&K that was offering it up free, which I thought contained some interesting history...
Thank you very much for your inquiry about the SeaCraft.
This is one of the first SeaCrafts built. Later designs eliminated the high freeboard and flare at the bow and reduced the angle of the deep-V. Seacrafts, including this one, were originally built in Princeton, FL which is part of the Miami suburbs and is located about fifteen miles SW of downtown Miami on US-1. Their production warehouse is still there. The boat was purchased new by Johnson and Kirby who had one of the more popular marine store, boat maintenance and engine sales and maintenance operations in Miami by the same name located on US-1 in South Miami. They passed away, the store was closed, the property was sold and the lot bulldozed.
The early pictures show the boat (open console) as Johnson and Kirby set it up for racing to Bimini and Nassau. In the late 1950's the Bertram Glass Mopie by Ray Hunt was the first deep-V design and revolutized boat racing and boat design. It shattered the existing record by several hours in a race were many boats turned back and a few disinagrated and sank due to the very rought water. Everyone quickly started building deep-V hulls. This SeaCraft was built in 1962. I remember the Homelites and I am sure that the Homelites were 55 HP (first production 4 stroke). Johnson and Kirby raced the boat for publicity to advertise their store and for fun. I know nothing about their racing success, if any.
At this time my father was working at Johnson and Kirby. He bought the boat from Johnson and Kirby. Soon after, he replaced the Homelites with two 100 HP Evinrudes and converted the boat back to the factory design by removing the center console, reinstalling the windshield, forward steering and bimini top as shown in the later pictures. When I gave the boat away, it still had the original Seminole trailer as shown in the pictures and the original boat production paint colors as shown in the small owner's manual - white hull, black stripe under the gunnel and sky-blue deck.
About 1970, my father bought a 50 ft houseboat and gave me the SeaCraft. I ran it until the motors reached the point that the Johnson and Kirby mechanics refused to work on the motors unless I had them completely rebuilt. I had two daughters in college at the time and could no longer afford two new motors so the boat sat in the backyard and the wood rotted out. Hurricane Andrew tore off and shattered the windshield.
I kept the boat because I though it was a great boat, great design, great ride, high freeboard for offhsore, etc. and I had hoped to someday eventually restore the boat. However the boat was becoming an eyesore in the backyard and my wife wanted me to get rid of it. She started calling the towing companies to have them haul the boat and trailer to the county trash dump. However the county dump will not take boats unless you first take a chainsaw and cut the boat into pieces. Which is probably why you see so many old boats abondoned along the roadside. I refused to destroy the boat and started looking on the Internet for alternatives. Fortunely I found the SeaCraft collectors' website. A fellow from Palm Beach picked up the boat and trailer, title, pictures, and small owner's manual.
If you have any additional information I would greatly appreciate knowing the current status and seeing some current pictures. You are welcome to post any of this information on the SeaCraft website.
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Post by fishnfool on May 30, 2019 10:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by kingpin123 on May 30, 2019 10:27:58 GMT -5
Well they do ride very smooth in head on seas and cut the waves very good in bad chops. But to me they are very wet well with the 270cc that is. Not matter how a trim the boat But in following seas if they waves are big 3 to 5 chops man it is very scary. The following waves throw the boat all over the place very hard to control no matter how I trim the boat. Not sure if anybody else has this same issue or not. That’s my only big concern with this hull design.
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Post by fishnfool on May 30, 2019 10:35:51 GMT -5
I've never had a problem in a following sea. In my experience the boat tends to ride and track pretty well.
I will take spray in a strong cross wind esp with bigger quartering seas but just about any deep v cc would in these conditions. Trimming the bow up helps as does tabbing down the side opposite to the wind.
It is all a trade off. If you want a shallower deadrise hull with big old chines and strakes that might keep you a tad drier buy a Sea Hunt or Tidewater but do not expect those boats to ride anywhere near as soft.
Alternatively buy a regulator which will ride awesome and keep you drier but will rock and roll at drift like no other and will require more power and higher fuel burn to push her.
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